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	<title>Comments on: Why Social Media Will Help (Not Suffer) in the Crisis</title>
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		<title>By: Peter Bihr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Bihr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, P., for the in-depth feedback - highly appreciated and spot on. I agree with what you say on fatigue, which obviously hits mainstream users much faster than those of us who check out dozens of services in a month. 

About the slower ad growth, that sure will be a downer for a lot of ad-based services, no doubt about it. Also, venture capital is a lot harder to get these days than just a few months (weeks!) ago as VCs are unsure of what to invest in. (However, as was just pointed out to me they can&#039;t just sit on their money either, they need to invest, so I expect that to pick up again rather soon.) The companies who are up and running have little to fear, their investors won&#039;t just pull out if they&#039;re doing a good job.

So there may be a problem for a number of social media services. However, I was trying to look at the bigger picture, the state of Social Media as a field (and in upper-case ;). 

For organizations of all sizes, from small owner-run businesses and non-profits to huge international corporations, fostering relationships of trust with their customers/stakeholders/clients is crucial, especially in times of crisis. 

Social media are one of the tools that enable just that. So even if some (a lot? a few?) services and startups go down, I&#039;m convinced the ideas, concepts and mechanisms (maybe even the technology) behind many of theses services will survive and grow. They have proven successful and will continue to do so, if I&#039;m any judge.

So yup, you&#039;re absolutely right, it might cool the industry for awhile. But the ideas are still hot...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, P., for the in-depth feedback &#8211; highly appreciated and spot on. I agree with what you say on fatigue, which obviously hits mainstream users much faster than those of us who check out dozens of services in a month. </p>
<p>About the slower ad growth, that sure will be a downer for a lot of ad-based services, no doubt about it. Also, venture capital is a lot harder to get these days than just a few months (weeks!) ago as VCs are unsure of what to invest in. (However, as was just pointed out to me they can&#8217;t just sit on their money either, they need to invest, so I expect that to pick up again rather soon.) The companies who are up and running have little to fear, their investors won&#8217;t just pull out if they&#8217;re doing a good job.</p>
<p>So there may be a problem for a number of social media services. However, I was trying to look at the bigger picture, the state of Social Media as a field (and in upper-case ;). </p>
<p>For organizations of all sizes, from small owner-run businesses and non-profits to huge international corporations, fostering relationships of trust with their customers/stakeholders/clients is crucial, especially in times of crisis. </p>
<p>Social media are one of the tools that enable just that. So even if some (a lot? a few?) services and startups go down, I&#8217;m convinced the ideas, concepts and mechanisms (maybe even the technology) behind many of theses services will survive and grow. They have proven successful and will continue to do so, if I&#8217;m any judge.</p>
<p>So yup, you&#8217;re absolutely right, it might cool the industry for awhile. But the ideas are still hot&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pfandfrei</title>
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		<dc:creator>pfandfrei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:47:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a) well, it depends on what your definition of &quot;kill&quot; is.  techcrunch has been reporting (including today: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/16/online-ad-growth-grinds-to-a-halt/) that internet adspace has been declining.  iirc, they reported that even before the crisis online advertising was slowing.  besides, techcrunch continually reports on layoffs by media companies (to be fair, i think most of them are startups).  

b) for social media tools to go mainstream, it&#039;s not just one trusted friend that has to be on a certain tool, but rather a critical mass of your friends.  even with &quot;aggregator&quot; websites (which seem to be the upcoming trend, as i gather from techcrunch&#039;s reviews of new startups, as well as google&#039;s openid), i think there&#039;s a certain fatigue people have with adding new social media tools if they&#039;re already on one or two (good example: technorati&#039;s state of the blogosphere indicated that 94% of blogs are dormant now).  so perhaps social media will still attract money, but by working with niche markets (i guess &#039;long tail&#039; stuff)

c) but even with &#039;long tail&#039; markets im not so sure either.  forrester released a report on bringing web 2.0 to businesses and they basically indicated that a lot of business types who tend to be conservative with new decisions are apprehensive about applying social media tools at the office.  i can send the report to you if you want.  
 
regardless, unless companies have a model that is not based on advertising, im not too sure how they can make money.  but beyond that i think also i guess i see the potential for social media high in smaller, niche markets (my nachmieterin was telling me about a website like facebook that is closed, so every random person can&#039;t find you and friend you), and for a web consultant such as yourself to help someone execute their idea, but i think the financial crisis (less potential for ads) plus people&#039;s fatigue with being inundated with information and contacts will cool the industry for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a) well, it depends on what your definition of &#8220;kill&#8221; is.  techcrunch has been reporting (including today: <a href="http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/16/online-ad-growth-grinds-to-a-halt/)" rel="nofollow">http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/11/16/online-ad-growth-grinds-to-a-halt/)</a> that internet adspace has been declining.  iirc, they reported that even before the crisis online advertising was slowing.  besides, techcrunch continually reports on layoffs by media companies (to be fair, i think most of them are startups).  </p>
<p>b) for social media tools to go mainstream, it&#8217;s not just one trusted friend that has to be on a certain tool, but rather a critical mass of your friends.  even with &#8220;aggregator&#8221; websites (which seem to be the upcoming trend, as i gather from techcrunch&#8217;s reviews of new startups, as well as google&#8217;s openid), i think there&#8217;s a certain fatigue people have with adding new social media tools if they&#8217;re already on one or two (good example: technorati&#8217;s state of the blogosphere indicated that 94% of blogs are dormant now).  so perhaps social media will still attract money, but by working with niche markets (i guess &#8216;long tail&#8217; stuff)</p>
<p>c) but even with &#8216;long tail&#8217; markets im not so sure either.  forrester released a report on bringing web 2.0 to businesses and they basically indicated that a lot of business types who tend to be conservative with new decisions are apprehensive about applying social media tools at the office.  i can send the report to you if you want.  </p>
<p>regardless, unless companies have a model that is not based on advertising, im not too sure how they can make money.  but beyond that i think also i guess i see the potential for social media high in smaller, niche markets (my nachmieterin was telling me about a website like facebook that is closed, so every random person can&#8217;t find you and friend you), and for a web consultant such as yourself to help someone execute their idea, but i think the financial crisis (less potential for ads) plus people&#8217;s fatigue with being inundated with information and contacts will cool the industry for a while.</p>
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